Before this server was made, I got many people into discord mafia
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But with like 1 or 2 people hosting, I was mainly playing with people who mainly played town of salem
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Which had days that existed for a very short time
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So i was in games with nearly every player being inactive and making content through that, forcing the game to be in a position where reads would be made
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This is my 2nd newcomer game, after having a near 5 year break
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The first one had lots of very experienced players in
You just admitted to it being bc of being mafia, I'm agreeing, but after your first game you deduced that you had TMI (too much information) from being mafia, it's good
i would play better in werewolf cuz theres more logic in ww
inikyne
You just admitted to it being bc of being mafia, I'm agreeing, but after your first game you deduced that you had TMI (too much information) from being mafia, it's good
If someone starts saying why people are sus and it's like, the generic ways of sussing people like TMI and pairings, then it can be sus with how they come off as clueless
But I said that more for the message below it
But saying mafia will kill reggy is different to just wanting them gone
inikyne
If someone starts saying why people are sus and it's like, the generic ways of sussing people like TMI and pairings, then it can be sus with how they come off as clueless
But I said that more for the message below it
so quick to be wanting to vote someone in the first few hours
9:20 p.m.
i don’t want mia to be gone this early
inikyne
If someone starts saying why people are sus and it's like, the generic ways of sussing people like TMI and pairings, then it can be sus with how they come off as clueless
But I said that more for the message below it
Mia: before mini wall post, mia gave cocky vibes.. gonna laugh at reggy, post mini wall she got more defensive, said reggy thinks he cooking but isnt, and seems to be trying to assert a lil bit more control over the game now
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Sabrina: very quick to town and untown people, (claims to prefer using probabilities to finding mafia correct reggy if this is wrong), ig can kind of explain this, but in general the quick town reads give reggy mafia vibes :/
Mia: before mini wall post, mia gave cocky vibes.. gonna laugh at reggy, post mini wall she got more defensive, said reggy thinks he cooking but isnt, and seems to be trying to assert a lil bit more control over the game now
Possible but I don’t think anyone relishes playing a 1v7, nor would most people looking to have fun be willing to get lynched day 1.
Mafia teammates acting suspicious of each other day 1 is not implausible though, if they operated under the assumption that neither would actually garner sufficient votes day 1 it’s not an unreasonable strat.
But given the game rules we basically have to lynch day 1 or it’s RNG, so we most likely will pick someone manually, and those who oppose each other may be prime targets (along with inactives) . Thus, I don’t think competent mafia teammates would risk it day 1 when they could always just wait a few days before making their pairing appear improbable.
Could be wrong tho.
reggy
Sabrina: very quick to town and untown people, (claims to prefer using probabilities to finding mafia correct reggy if this is wrong), ig can kind of explain this, but in general the quick town reads give reggy mafia vibes :/
She does that as a townie. She could change her playstyle, but that's just town behaviour to me.
Yeah clearing people for no reason makes no sense, and it looks dumb, but I've seen townies do that too.
Maj
Possible but I don’t think anyone relishes playing a 1v7, nor would most people looking to have fun be willing to get lynched day 1.
Mafia teammates acting suspicious of each other day 1 is not implausible though, if they operated under the assumption that neither would actually garner sufficient votes day 1 it’s not an unreasonable strat.
But given the game rules we basically have to lynch day 1 or it’s RNG, so we most likely will pick someone manually, and those who oppose each other may be prime targets (along with inactives) . Thus, I don’t think competent mafia teammates would risk it day 1 when they could always just wait a few days before making their pairing appear improbable.
Could be wrong tho.
Eh I assume people are digging for information and reactions to get some information early
James
She does that as a townie. She could change her playstyle, but that's just town behaviour to me.
Yeah clearing people for no reason makes no sense, and it looks dumb, but I've seen townies do that too.
Possible but I don’t think anyone relishes playing a 1v7, nor would most people looking to have fun be willing to get lynched day 1.
Mafia teammates acting suspicious of each other day 1 is not implausible though, if they operated under the assumption that neither would actually garner sufficient votes day 1 it’s not an unreasonable strat.
But given the game rules we basically have to lynch day 1 or it’s RNG, so we most likely will pick someone manually, and those who oppose each other may be prime targets (along with inactives) . Thus, I don’t think competent mafia teammates would risk it day 1 when they could always just wait a few days before making their pairing appear improbable.
Could be wrong tho.
She does that as a townie. She could change her playstyle, but that's just town behaviour to me.
Yeah clearing people for no reason makes no sense, and it looks dumb, but I've seen townies do that too.
2d3 is a Newcomer Setup taken from the forum site MafiaScum. It is one of their older Newcomer Setups and considered fairly, if not entirely balanced in all the variations it provides. It features...
Wouldn’t it be better to lynch someone who’s inactive like mkay or so since we will have hard times making reads about them and we have limited time for lynching before lylo
Did you play with him he’s active and tries to make reads
Scary Boy (Mia)
Wouldn’t it be better to lynch someone who’s inactive like mkay or so since we will have hard times making reads about them and we have limited time for lynching before lylo
Lets take newcomer maf game = mixed skill, means mixed activity level as well.
However roles given arent skill balanced. So its no more likely there will be 2 experience players on maf then 2 inexperience, then 1 experience 1 inexperience, (slightly affected by the amount of experienced and inexperienced players in lobby but u should get point)
Saying u want to lynch d1 only inactive/less valuable players (where value is how much they can add as town) means that in the case an experienced player got maf, u wont even consider reading them until at least d2
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Reggy hope that make sense
reggy
Lets take newcomer maf game = mixed skill, means mixed activity level as well.
However roles given arent skill balanced. So its no more likely there will be 2 experience players on maf then 2 inexperience, then 1 experience 1 inexperience, (slightly affected by the amount of experienced and inexperienced players in lobby but u should get point)
Saying u want to lynch d1 only inactive/less valuable players (where value is how much they can add as town) means that in the case an experienced player got maf, u wont even consider reading them until at least d2
In my view mkay is the one I can least get a read on given he doesn’t talk.
A: He’s Mafia - it will be hard to deduce this through text so it’s a nice flip
B: He’s town - low contribution level and likely to muddy the waters, better than us flipping a potentially useful townie
In my view mkay is the one I can least get a read on given he doesn’t talk.
A: He’s Mafia - it will be hard to deduce this through text so it’s a nice flip
B: He’s town - low contribution level and likely to muddy the waters, better than us flipping a potentially useful townie
Reggys vote will prob move to a couple more people before lynch, semi not randomly, then if a maj has jumped on one of reggys neut/scum reads will hop onto that
i rlly dont want to vote out mia or inik cause i enjoy playing with them but they just seem so sussy @Scary Boy (Mia)@inikyne i wouldnt ever sus yall if i was mafia
i rlly dont want to vote out mia or inik cause i enjoy playing with them but they just seem so sussy @Scary Boy (Mia)@inikyne i wouldnt ever sus yall if i was mafia
We're playing in a 9 player setup with 7 town and 2 scum
This means our votes are limited and if we mislynch, which is statistically more likely, we put ourselves in a bad position
Let's think togetherHow can we set ourselves up for the future, even if a mislynch happens?
Breaking Down the Most Likely Scenario:
We start at 7v2.
If we mislynch on D1 and scum eliminates someone, we go to 5v2 on D2
If we mislynch again, D3 becomes 3v2 aka lylo
Why lynching an active player on D1 is a mistake:
If we vote out an active player, we’re left with inactives who provide little to no game solving content. This means we’ll be constantly second guessing them without enough information to work with, and that can confuse us
The longer the game goes on, the more context we’ll have to analyze. But if inactive players just drop 25 low effort messages a day without making any real contributions, how will we be able to read them under increased pressure on D2/D3?
Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake
If you disagree I’m open to discussion. Explain why voting Ini is a long term benefit rather than a disaster for us
We're playing in a 9 player setup with 7 town and 2 scum
This means our votes are limited and if we mislynch, which is statistically more likely, we put ourselves in a bad position
Let's think togetherHow can we set ourselves up for the future, even if a mislynch happens?
Breaking Down the Most Likely Scenario:
We start at 7v2.
If we mislynch on D1 and scum eliminates someone, we go to 5v2 on D2
If we mislynch again, D3 becomes 3v2 aka lylo
Why lynching an active player on D1 is a mistake:
If we vote out an active player, we’re left with inactives who provide little to no game solving content. This means we’ll be constantly second guessing them without enough information to work with, and that can confuse us
The longer the game goes on, the more context we’ll have to analyze. But if inactive players just drop 25 low effort messages a day without making any real contributions, how will we be able to read them under increased pressure on D2/D3?
Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake
If you disagree I’m open to discussion. Explain why voting Ini is a long term benefit rather than a disaster for us
We're playing in a 9 player setup with 7 town and 2 scum
This means our votes are limited and if we mislynch, which is statistically more likely, we put ourselves in a bad position
Let's think togetherHow can we set ourselves up for the future, even if a mislynch happens?
Breaking Down the Most Likely Scenario:
We start at 7v2.
If we mislynch on D1 and scum eliminates someone, we go to 5v2 on D2
If we mislynch again, D3 becomes 3v2 aka lylo
Why lynching an active player on D1 is a mistake:
If we vote out an active player, we’re left with inactives who provide little to no game solving content. This means we’ll be constantly second guessing them without enough information to work with, and that can confuse us
The longer the game goes on, the more context we’ll have to analyze. But if inactive players just drop 25 low effort messages a day without making any real contributions, how will we be able to read them under increased pressure on D2/D3?
Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake
If you disagree I’m open to discussion. Explain why voting Ini is a long term benefit rather than a disaster for us
well then the mafia could be the actives and if we look in the actives D1, we might be able to find a mafia (unlikely, just hypothetically) and honestly in this game, we still have plenty of active people like myself so im not as cocerned.
well then the mafia could be the actives and if we look in the actives D1, we might be able to find a mafia (unlikely, just hypothetically) and honestly in this game, we still have plenty of active people like myself so im not as cocerned.
We're playing in a 9 player setup with 7 town and 2 scum
This means our votes are limited and if we mislynch, which is statistically more likely, we put ourselves in a bad position
Let's think togetherHow can we set ourselves up for the future, even if a mislynch happens?
Breaking Down the Most Likely Scenario:
We start at 7v2.
If we mislynch on D1 and scum eliminates someone, we go to 5v2 on D2
If we mislynch again, D3 becomes 3v2 aka lylo
Why lynching an active player on D1 is a mistake:
If we vote out an active player, we’re left with inactives who provide little to no game solving content. This means we’ll be constantly second guessing them without enough information to work with, and that can confuse us
The longer the game goes on, the more context we’ll have to analyze. But if inactive players just drop 25 low effort messages a day without making any real contributions, how will we be able to read them under increased pressure on D2/D3?
Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake
If you disagree I’m open to discussion. Explain why voting Ini is a long term benefit rather than a disaster for us
In a Mafia game an "agenda" refers to the goals or motives a player might have that are not aligned with the town's objectives
For scum (mafia) players, their agenda is to mislead the town, avoid detection, and ultimately eliminate all town members. They may try to influence votes, shift suspicion, or protect their teammates
mkay
Cause it seems your last paragraph contradicts the rest
"Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake"
Can you clarify what you meant?
mkay
"Ini should be more active, and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game. Voting out someone who has shown minimal agenda or misdirection against town so far is a huge mistake"
Can you clarify what you meant?
Inikyne's messages aren't misleading us what I recall from memory So voting him out doesn’t make sense if we’re deciding to eliminate someone active which also doesn't make sense. The beginning of the message is self explanatory he should be more active and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game
Your sus was early, and your reaction was pretty different and many people could in theory read into it and see it as scummy
So anyone who has tried to do other pushes like mine or not interacted with your slot would give us information whether you flipped town or not
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I need my sweaty laptop
inikyne
Your sus was early, and your reaction was pretty different and many people could in theory read into it and see it as scummy
So anyone who has tried to do other pushes like mine or not interacted with your slot would give us information whether you flipped town or not
Pushing me is illogical and is only being done to create content for making reads if you haven't realize yet. My reaction has nothing to do with people on discord. You're just pixels and can't make me mad lmao. My tone might be different due to real life circumstances
I'm just being annoyed by people who refers to themselves in the third person by mentioning their name every time they post a message. Me hoping mafia eliminates him can be suspicious (if I'm like 5 and I don't think before I write it down)
1) i think this kind of thing is sadly unfair to new players, even if its technically optimal, so i would never agree with it bc im too sensitive lmao
2) if theres a valid reason to lynch someone thats universally agreed on, who is an active, then they should always be lynched and not fall under this defense, as at worse they are an insanely informative lynch
5:57 p.m.
idk why i was called active when ive barely played in the last 18 hours
i rlly dont want to vote out mia or inik cause i enjoy playing with them but they just seem so sussy @Scary Boy (Mia)@inikyne i wouldnt ever sus yall if i was mafia
saying this when its not really making yourself look good from a town being mislynched if i was to be lynched, as its also reggys townread, just makes it look like a town to me, like gut wise i wouldnt lynch mkay ever d1 bc of this
idk why sabrina towned them but thats an example of the things i do so if sabrina does it i cant really sus her for it fairly lmao
inikyne
saying this when its not really making yourself look good from a town being mislynched if i was to be lynched, as its also reggys townread, just makes it look like a town to me, like gut wise i wouldnt lynch mkay ever d1 bc of this
idk why sabrina towned them but thats an example of the things i do so if sabrina does it i cant really sus her for it fairly lmao
I wouldn’t read into it because if we look at is a a scum slip that would be a very dumb one
And also it just seems like a joke. Like she was annoyed with someone so she said "I hope the mafia kills you." For all we know they could both be mafia. That line doesn’t have much of an effect imo
I mean I'm way more aggresive can be seen as anti town sooooo good luck being dead
mkay
I wouldn’t read into it because if we look at is a a scum slip that would be a very dumb one
And also it just seems like a joke. Like she was annoyed with someone so she said "I hope the mafia kills you." For all we know they could both be mafia. That line doesn’t have much of an effect imo
I wouldn’t read into it because if we look at is a a scum slip that would be a very dumb one
And also it just seems like a joke. Like she was annoyed with someone so she said "I hope the mafia kills you." For all we know they could both be mafia. That line doesn’t have much of an effect imo
Honestly no one here is egregiously sus to me. Which yeah, is the point, but nobody has been killed so there’s no precedent, there’s been no investigative results, so there’s not much to say(edited)
6:27 p.m.
Like it’s just finger pointing
mkay
I guess I’m just more used to people joking around in other servers, so that slipped past my radar
in these games its a bit forced and things, maybe with to do with mentors idk, but newcomer games have weird stuff, not related to new players in general
Inikyne's messages aren't misleading us what I recall from memory So voting him out doesn’t make sense if we’re deciding to eliminate someone active which also doesn't make sense. The beginning of the message is self explanatory he should be more active and if he’s town, he can help us solve the game
I wouldn’t read into it because if we look at is a a scum slip that would be a very dumb one
And also it just seems like a joke. Like she was annoyed with someone so she said "I hope the mafia kills you." For all we know they could both be mafia. That line doesn’t have much of an effect imo
Biggest slips happen when people arent thinking about the game, its incredibly mentally draining to reread every message before sending and go ok this doesnt make me sus.
Scary Boy (Mia)
Reggy indirectly agreed that lynching inactive players is a good
Alright. Looking busy in the game, involves commenting on peoples behavior, suggesting some maf leans, town leans, neut leans, adding general content and looking for pairings
reggy
Alright. Looking busy in the game, involves commenting on peoples behavior, suggesting some maf leans, town leans, neut leans, adding general content and looking for pairings
D2 would then just be pointing at everyone that voted the person that was the least fluffy
reggy
Biggest slips happen when people arent thinking about the game, its incredibly mentally draining to reread every message before sending and go ok this doesnt make me sus.
But you can’t take something said outside the context of the game at face value, since it’s outside the game. Mia jokingly expressed a wish that the mafia would kill you because were in a game of mafia
reggy
If everyone thought this d1 would be silent except for fluff
Alright. Looking busy in the game, involves commenting on peoples behavior, suggesting some maf leans, town leans, neut leans, adding general content and looking for pairings
Here’s why you ️should ALWAYS lynch on day 1 .
Now, while this will usually end up with a vanillatownie down, this is incredibly useful.
First off, the prospect of a lynch fuels discussion to a great degree. When there’s an actual vote ️ happening, it’s a motivator to talk and for discussion to be more productive , while people usually don’t care much about no lynch days.
Also, the flip on the player lynched is incredibly useful down the line ♀️ . We can deduce scum based on their behaviour relative to the flip and using vote ️ reading, which is impossible ❌ without lynching someone.
Something else to be considered is that town ️ is playing against the clock . If scum aren’t dead by a certain point, they lose . Therefore, they must take the most advantage of their time ⏲️, which would involve lynching for the reasons listed above. To note is that although scum will usually not be lynched D1, it can happen, and if it does, town ️ basically wins the game right there. Lynching leads to the best outcomes .
I don't think what is she doing is helping town in any way
7:17 p.m.
Like randomly clearing and sussing then voting people is just strange
inikyne
Here’s why you ️should ALWAYS lynch on day 1 .
Now, while this will usually end up with a vanillatownie down, this is incredibly useful.
First off, the prospect of a lynch fuels discussion to a great degree. When there’s an actual vote ️ happening, it’s a motivator to talk and for discussion to be more productive , while people usually don’t care much about no lynch days.
Also, the flip on the player lynched is incredibly useful down the line ♀️ . We can deduce scum based on their behaviour relative to the flip and using vote ️ reading, which is impossible ❌ without lynching someone.
Something else to be considered is that town ️ is playing against the clock . If scum aren’t dead by a certain point, they lose . Therefore, they must take the most advantage of their time ⏲️, which would involve lynching for the reasons listed above. To note is that although scum will usually not be lynched D1, it can happen, and if it does, town ️ basically wins the game right there. Lynching leads to the best outcomes .
But as it stands it’s a witch hunt. It’s a he said she said scenario. We have no facts. It’s just confirmation biases and "trust me bro." There’s no real way to prosecute someone besides vibes
wait i thought you were american bc you were up at like 6am your time
7:19 p.m.
lmaooo
mkay
But as it stands it’s a witch hunt. It’s a he said she said scenario. We have no facts. It’s just confirmation biases and "trust me bro." There’s no real way to prosecute someone besides vibes
Here’s why you ️should ALWAYS lynch on day 1 .
Now, while this will usually end up with a vanillatownie down, this is incredibly useful.
First off, the prospect of a lynch fuels discussion to a great degree. When there’s an actual vote ️ happening, it’s a motivator to talk and for discussion to be more productive , while people usually don’t care much about no lynch days.
Also, the flip on the player lynched is incredibly useful down the line ♀️ . We can deduce scum based on their behaviour relative to the flip and using vote ️ reading, which is impossible ❌ without lynching someone.
Something else to be considered is that town ️ is playing against the clock . If scum aren’t dead by a certain point, they lose . Therefore, they must take the most advantage of their time ⏲️, which would involve lynching for the reasons listed above. To note is that although scum will usually not be lynched D1, it can happen, and if it does, town ️ basically wins the game right there. Lynching leads to the best outcomes .
The intricate interplay of quantum superposition and entanglement delineates the foundational paradoxes that challenge classical deterministic paradigms, thereby necessitating a probabilistic interpretation of reality itself
The intricate interplay of quantum superposition and entanglement delineates the foundational paradoxes that challenge classical deterministic paradigms, thereby necessitating a probabilistic interpretation of reality itself
I gave more value than you that's for sure you are literally inactive and you can't even know about it
OR are you saying you were lurking and you just think that what I said gives us zero value
Sorry, newb question, what do you mean by feedback?
Scary Boy (Mia)
I gave more value than you that's for sure you are literally inactive and you can't even know about it
OR are you saying you were lurking and you just think that what I said gives us zero value
For instance if I’m the doctor and I decided to save my glorious king James tonight and James is attacked, I won’t be notified that I saved his life, we would just see that no kill occurs that night.
So then you have to deduce for yourself whether the Mafia decided to not attack or you successfully saved someone
Maj
For instance if I’m the doctor and I decided to save my glorious king James tonight and James is attacked, I won’t be notified that I saved his life, we would just see that no kill occurs that night.
For instance if I’m the doctor and I decided to save my glorious king James tonight and James is attacked, I won’t be notified that I saved his life, we would just see that no kill occurs that night.
The inherent non-Euclidean topology of higher-dimensional Riemannian manifolds presents an exquisite conundrum wherein conventional geodesic pathways defy intuitive Cartesian constraints, thereby necessitating a tensorial formalism to adequately describe the curvature-induced perturbations in spacetime metrics as postulated by general relativity.
The inherent non-Euclidean topology of higher-dimensional Riemannian manifolds presents an exquisite conundrum wherein conventional geodesic pathways defy intuitive Cartesian constraints, thereby necessitating a tensorial formalism to adequately describe the curvature-induced perturbations in spacetime metrics as postulated by general relativity.
The inherent non-Euclidean topology of higher-dimensional Riemannian manifolds presents an exquisite conundrum wherein conventional geodesic pathways defy intuitive Cartesian constraints, thereby necessitating a tensorial formalism to adequately describe the curvature-induced perturbations in spacetime metrics as postulated by general relativity.
I’m a bit confused myself.
He came into chat and said “1000 messages, why are you guys so active?” - typically you would say this after seeing the notis and opening the chat before performing any backreading
Then not even a minute later he says he’s back read a little and has some concerns. Arguably the first message could signal artificial behaviour aimed at making him appear inattentive (town-associated trait). It’s a rather poor signal though so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.
I’m a bit confused myself.
He came into chat and said “1000 messages, why are you guys so active?” - typically you would say this after seeing the notis and opening the chat before performing any backreading
Then not even a minute later he says he’s back read a little and has some concerns. Arguably the first message could signal artificial behaviour aimed at making him appear inattentive (town-associated trait). It’s a rather poor signal though so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.
Maj is like the person who is teaching everyone abt how the game works and nice abilities etc. idk if maj gave reads (probably somewhere I skimmed past), if he did then he’s likely a town but still possible to be scum cuz technical stuff is something anyone can do.
Mia and ini are communicating a lot which makes me thing they aren’t both mafia, possibly both town nothing really sus in the heap of messages
Reggy is well, reggy. Reggy is hard to read so idk if he’s maf but for now I’ll leave him be X (in between town and scum)
Yumi I didn’t really see, from the 1 game I had with her I feel she’s town but that was only 1 game so I could be incorrect.
MKay ok I’ll stop for now cuz u guys are comprehension 1000
Scary Boy (Mia)
I don't like it they just yell ''JAILOR HERE LO/DOC ON ME or something
I’m a bit confused myself.
He came into chat and said “1000 messages, why are you guys so active?” - typically you would say this after seeing the notis and opening the chat before performing any backreading
Then not even a minute later he says he’s back read a little and has some concerns. Arguably the first message could signal artificial behaviour aimed at making him appear inattentive (town-associated trait). It’s a rather poor signal though so I wouldn’t put much stock in it.
Maj is like the person who is teaching everyone abt how the game works and nice abilities etc. idk if maj gave reads (probably somewhere I skimmed past), if he did then he’s likely a town but still possible to be scum cuz technical stuff is something anyone can do.
Mia and ini are communicating a lot which makes me thing they aren’t both mafia, possibly both town nothing really sus in the heap of messages
Reggy is well, reggy. Reggy is hard to read so idk if he’s maf but for now I’ll leave him be X (in between town and scum)
Yumi I didn’t really see, from the 1 game I had with her I feel she’s town but that was only 1 game so I could be incorrect.
MKay ok I’ll stop for now cuz u guys are comprehension 1000
Maj is like the person who is teaching everyone abt how the game works and nice abilities etc. idk if maj gave reads (probably somewhere I skimmed past), if he did then he’s likely a town but still possible to be scum cuz technical stuff is something anyone can do.
Mia and ini are communicating a lot which makes me thing they aren’t both mafia, possibly both town nothing really sus in the heap of messages
Reggy is well, reggy. Reggy is hard to read so idk if he’s maf but for now I’ll leave him be X (in between town and scum)
Yumi I didn’t really see, from the 1 game I had with her I feel she’s town but that was only 1 game so I could be incorrect.
MKay ok I’ll stop for now cuz u guys are comprehension 1000
And we were maf teammates s o just looking at her compared to the last one she isn’t playing the same
7:38 p.m.
But it’s a different game mode so I can’t be sure
shark in a pool
Maj is like the person who is teaching everyone abt how the game works and nice abilities etc. idk if maj gave reads (probably somewhere I skimmed past), if he did then he’s likely a town but still possible to be scum cuz technical stuff is something anyone can do.
Mia and ini are communicating a lot which makes me thing they aren’t both mafia, possibly both town nothing really sus in the heap of messages
Reggy is well, reggy. Reggy is hard to read so idk if he’s maf but for now I’ll leave him be X (in between town and scum)
Yumi I didn’t really see, from the 1 game I had with her I feel she’s town but that was only 1 game so I could be incorrect.
MKay ok I’ll stop for now cuz u guys are comprehension 1000
Then mkay is like well instantly active after the prod. idk if mafia or town react differently from prod so just pointing it out. But he’s still a bit active after meeting msg req so probably first 24hr low activity was cuz something else or it could be that his mafia teammate is urging him. Ppl react to prods differently, his msgs dont give much vibes for me so he will be an X for me too
Sabrina i feel is just town cuz I think mafia wouldn’t be towning and sussing ppl left right and centre
Maj is like the person who is teaching everyone abt how the game works and nice abilities etc. idk if maj gave reads (probably somewhere I skimmed past), if he did then he’s likely a town but still possible to be scum cuz technical stuff is something anyone can do.
Mia and ini are communicating a lot which makes me thing they aren’t both mafia, possibly both town nothing really sus in the heap of messages
Reggy is well, reggy. Reggy is hard to read so idk if he’s maf but for now I’ll leave him be X (in between town and scum)
Yumi I didn’t really see, from the 1 game I had with her I feel she’s town but that was only 1 game so I could be incorrect.
MKay ok I’ll stop for now cuz u guys are comprehension 1000
i dont really see any merit reading into a prod making someone more active as thats literally a ping in the info channel telling them to play more so its hard to say someone is scum for that
i dont really see any merit reading into a prod making someone more active as thats literally a ping in the info channel telling them to play more so its hard to say someone is scum for that
i dont really see any merit reading into a prod making someone more active as thats literally a ping in the info channel telling them to play more so its hard to say someone is scum for that
Anyways to clarify I missed yesterday because I was distracted by other things and because I’m used to the game really starting when somebody is killed by the mafia, so I guess I assumed that this was just the chatting before night 1 begins and the actual deduction starts, leading me to forgor
8:00 p.m.
And I’m asking for terminology and whatnot just to be thorough in understanding what everything means
Anyways to clarify I missed yesterday because I was distracted by other things and because I’m used to the game really starting when somebody is killed by the mafia, so I guess I assumed that this was just the chatting before night 1 begins and the actual deduction starts, leading me to forgor
Reggy eat dinner now. Then play mm game, then drive to soccer drive home, do homework maybe sleep maybe while play this for like hour (this will happen 3-4 hour from now) then sleep
Reggy eat dinner now. Then play mm game, then drive to soccer drive home, do homework maybe sleep maybe while play this for like hour (this will happen 3-4 hour from now) then sleep
I don’t think I’ve made any general reads, I’ve only pointed out strange behaviour when I noticed it and prodded the related people for their explanation
Oh I can see it, the d1 vote out carries the main source of info but u can go back and dig up a bunch of info after pairing that info with chats right?
Well 1st is how ur passive aggressive at me mainly which makes me think ur not mafia cuz I wouldn’t expect mafia to act that way. Then ini is just an experienced player so if they’re maf then we will probably catch on when he votes multiple town in a row
Well 1st is how ur passive aggressive at me mainly which makes me think ur not mafia cuz I wouldn’t expect mafia to act that way. Then ini is just an experienced player so if they’re maf then we will probably catch on when he votes multiple town in a row
1) i think this kind of thing is sadly unfair to new players, even if its technically optimal, so i would never agree with it bc im too sensitive lmao
2) if theres a valid reason to lynch someone thats universally agreed on, who is an active, then they should always be lynched and not fall under this defense, as at worse they are an insanely informative lynch
I want to see more from them honestly as they are being pretty casual about their mafia pov logic where if you want to throw people off with that, you will slip up and make it awkward eventually as scum, but they haven't yet so
Maj
Possible but I don’t think anyone relishes playing a 1v7, nor would most people looking to have fun be willing to get lynched day 1.
Mafia teammates acting suspicious of each other day 1 is not implausible though, if they operated under the assumption that neither would actually garner sufficient votes day 1 it’s not an unreasonable strat.
But given the game rules we basically have to lynch day 1 or it’s RNG, so we most likely will pick someone manually, and those who oppose each other may be prime targets (along with inactives) . Thus, I don’t think competent mafia teammates would risk it day 1 when they could always just wait a few days before making their pairing appear improbable.
Could be wrong tho.
I want to see more from them honestly as they are being pretty casual about their mafia pov logic where if you want to throw people off with that, you will slip up and make it awkward eventually as scum, but they haven't yet so
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
he seems towny cause wouldn’t mafia talk about prs in the server
10:43 a.m.
instead of here
James
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
Reggy - He's clearly excited about the game https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345819197284024475, though I initially missed his statement. It was obvious and I stated it later on. I'm unsure why Reggy isn't invested in pushing this group https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345924186102829108, considering his actions so far seem focused on pushing people. In my eyes, he confirmed this here https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346236934800015411. Reggy is also self clearing himself indirectly naturally https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345936710118412421 (which I slightly dislike). Reggy’s logic is solid so far, but I’m confused about why he isn’t pushing the named group (James, Mkay and Maj). I thought he might be waiting for my read on James after learning that I know him. Reggy mentioned that Sabrina gives him quick mafia vibes, and unless I’m mistaken, that’s his only scum lean so far. Other than that, most of his chats feel somewhat empty. He seems experienced for a ''new'' player and isn’t afraid to show it. Reggy could deceive us with genuine act, but Reggy is passing Mia’s radar congrats!
Sabrina - She didn’t waste a second of time to self clear herself https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866044077510737. I lied I actually did notice Reggy’s vote at the time. It doesn’t mean much, but I felt like she wasn’t being entirely truthful here, and I want to note it https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866792945455291. She was heavily invested in making mafia reads within her first 30 messages, which I disliked. I even told her to stop, but she didn’t https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345931325118480485. I see that kind of behavior as anti town at best since it can create confusion. She’s pairing people based on vibes rather than solid reasoning https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345947774381981737. A quick iso of her messages will help you see what I mean. It doesn’t feel like genuine townie behavior. At best, it’s anti town, as it distorts people’s perspectives. Also voting for Maj who is null in her reads and not someone she even finds suspicious is strange, especially when she lacks information to justify it. Mia doesn't like current read! It will either confuse us or she's mafia.
James - Quick to give feedback https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345988009778217013 Which I like, but besides that there’s literally nothing in his iso. I’ll try to evaluate whether his reads make sense. I haven’t iso’d Maj yet, but that seems odd and I have more about him that I noticed. However, I’m not talking about Maj here. James feels fine, but I don’t think I have enough context to properly read him and be confident in it. I’m surprised he claims Shark isn’t inactive or that he claimed (indirectly) he's inactive and is trying to make reads. I can understand why he’d find my message suspicious, but he should know me better than that. I’m also surprised he isn’t informing others that I’m good at faking things so he should for sure state that. For now he’s a null read for me or anti town (his reads are fine so leaning towards null)
Shark - Up until the last few hours, he didn’t say anything significant. I found this odd https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276175638429787. He quickly shifted his focus to Yumi https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276910228967517 and only showed up after I mentioned suspecting inactives. While his reads seem genuine, I'm not sure about them. I find this suspicious that’s all. I could be wrong, but it stands out to me. I'm really not sure what to think about him. I could be fine lynching him if he doesn't improve
I mostly agree with your reads expect for the fact that Yumi is more suspicious on my radar and ofc from my pov I’m a beautiful and pure townie whilst you are somewhat null
You wouldn't just hard town your teammate that early
Maj
I mostly agree with your reads expect for the fact that Yumi is more suspicious on my radar and ofc from my pov I’m a beautiful and pure townie whilst you are somewhat null
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
Reggy - He's clearly excited about the game https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345819197284024475, though I initially missed his statement. It was obvious and I stated it later on. I'm unsure why Reggy isn't invested in pushing this group https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345924186102829108, considering his actions so far seem focused on pushing people. In my eyes, he confirmed this here https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346236934800015411. Reggy is also self clearing himself indirectly naturally https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345936710118412421 (which I slightly dislike). Reggy’s logic is solid so far, but I’m confused about why he isn’t pushing the named group (James, Mkay and Maj). I thought he might be waiting for my read on James after learning that I know him. Reggy mentioned that Sabrina gives him quick mafia vibes, and unless I’m mistaken, that’s his only scum lean so far. Other than that, most of his chats feel somewhat empty. He seems experienced for a ''new'' player and isn’t afraid to show it. Reggy could deceive us with genuine act, but Reggy is passing Mia’s radar congrats!
Sabrina - She didn’t waste a second of time to self clear herself https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866044077510737. I lied I actually did notice Reggy’s vote at the time. It doesn’t mean much, but I felt like she wasn’t being entirely truthful here, and I want to note it https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866792945455291. She was heavily invested in making mafia reads within her first 30 messages, which I disliked. I even told her to stop, but she didn’t https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345931325118480485. I see that kind of behavior as anti town at best since it can create confusion. She’s pairing people based on vibes rather than solid reasoning https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345947774381981737. A quick iso of her messages will help you see what I mean. It doesn’t feel like genuine townie behavior. At best, it’s anti town, as it distorts people’s perspectives. Also voting for Maj who is null in her reads and not someone she even finds suspicious is strange, especially when she lacks information to justify it. Mia doesn't like current read! It will either confuse us or she's mafia.
James - Quick to give feedback https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345988009778217013 Which I like, but besides that there’s literally nothing in his iso. I’ll try to evaluate whether his reads make sense. I haven’t iso’d Maj yet, but that seems odd and I have more about him that I noticed. However, I’m not talking about Maj here. James feels fine, but I don’t think I have enough context to properly read him and be confident in it. I’m surprised he claims Shark isn’t inactive or that he claimed (indirectly) he's inactive and is trying to make reads. I can understand why he’d find my message suspicious, but he should know me better than that. I’m also surprised he isn’t informing others that I’m good at faking things so he should for sure state that. For now he’s a null read for me or anti town (his reads are fine so leaning towards null)
Shark - Up until the last few hours, he didn’t say anything significant. I found this odd https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276175638429787. He quickly shifted his focus to Yumi https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276910228967517 and only showed up after I mentioned suspecting inactives. While his reads seem genuine, I'm not sure about them. I find this suspicious that’s all. I could be wrong, but it stands out to me. I'm really not sure what to think about him. I could be fine lynching him if he doesn't improve
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
Maybe she just has a weird play style but her actions don’t make sense to me. Her reads weren’t really substantiated and same for her votes, even if we think she was just prodding people for content this doesn’t seem to be the case for me since she rarely actually followed up on it and seriously tried to extract some kind of reaction. Reggy seems to be a better example of that strategy.
As for Yumi her activity has been low and I can’t get much of a read on her so I’m down to lynch, additionally she’s only really been suspicious of others. I’ll paste something shortly.
Yumi (Neutral)
Mafia Behaviour:
1) Attempt to focus votes on active players when she herself is not active. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346246720455184486
2) Overall inactivity level (more so a reason to lynch than a Mafia read. She did however apologise and appears to be busy irl, but has really provided little in the way of reads).
3) Overall only suspicious of others. Was suspicious of Sabrina for pivoting opinions (fair), said Reggie was active but he does that even when scum, also sus of ini for waiting for content from her. Overall, every interaction has been based in suspicion, could be a personality trait I don’t know them, but generally Mafia would have an incentive to not clear players since it keeps the pool of suspects larger.
Townie Behaviour:
1) On the flip side of point 3 for Mafia, exhibiting nothing but suspicion is arguably counterproductive especially when inactive as it can seed animosity which leads to being lynched down the line.
James
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
To the first paragraph here, best towns tend to walk a very fine line between being too sus for maf to get value out of killing them. And being not sus enough for town to have a great reason to exe. (They also make a lot of content taking advantage of their “immortality”…
Who do u want to push james
Scary Boy (Mia)
Reggy - He's clearly excited about the game https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345819197284024475, though I initially missed his statement. It was obvious and I stated it later on. I'm unsure why Reggy isn't invested in pushing this group https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345924186102829108, considering his actions so far seem focused on pushing people. In my eyes, he confirmed this here https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346236934800015411. Reggy is also self clearing himself indirectly naturally https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345936710118412421 (which I slightly dislike). Reggy’s logic is solid so far, but I’m confused about why he isn’t pushing the named group (James, Mkay and Maj). I thought he might be waiting for my read on James after learning that I know him. Reggy mentioned that Sabrina gives him quick mafia vibes, and unless I’m mistaken, that’s his only scum lean so far. Other than that, most of his chats feel somewhat empty. He seems experienced for a ''new'' player and isn’t afraid to show it. Reggy could deceive us with genuine act, but Reggy is passing Mia’s radar congrats!
Sabrina - She didn’t waste a second of time to self clear herself https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866044077510737. I lied I actually did notice Reggy’s vote at the time. It doesn’t mean much, but I felt like she wasn’t being entirely truthful here, and I want to note it https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345866792945455291. She was heavily invested in making mafia reads within her first 30 messages, which I disliked. I even told her to stop, but she didn’t https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345931325118480485. I see that kind of behavior as anti town at best since it can create confusion. She’s pairing people based on vibes rather than solid reasoning https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345947774381981737. A quick iso of her messages will help you see what I mean. It doesn’t feel like genuine townie behavior. At best, it’s anti town, as it distorts people’s perspectives. Also voting for Maj who is null in her reads and not someone she even finds suspicious is strange, especially when she lacks information to justify it. Mia doesn't like current read! It will either confuse us or she's mafia.
James - Quick to give feedback https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1345988009778217013 Which I like, but besides that there’s literally nothing in his iso. I’ll try to evaluate whether his reads make sense. I haven’t iso’d Maj yet, but that seems odd and I have more about him that I noticed. However, I’m not talking about Maj here. James feels fine, but I don’t think I have enough context to properly read him and be confident in it. I’m surprised he claims Shark isn’t inactive or that he claimed (indirectly) he's inactive and is trying to make reads. I can understand why he’d find my message suspicious, but he should know me better than that. I’m also surprised he isn’t informing others that I’m good at faking things so he should for sure state that. For now he’s a null read for me or anti town (his reads are fine so leaning towards null)
Shark - Up until the last few hours, he didn’t say anything significant. I found this odd https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276175638429787. He quickly shifted his focus to Yumi https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346276910228967517 and only showed up after I mentioned suspecting inactives. While his reads seem genuine, I'm not sure about them. I find this suspicious that’s all. I could be wrong, but it stands out to me. I'm really not sure what to think about him. I could be fine lynching him if he doesn't improve
Reggy was waiting, for ur read on james. The trio i mentioned not wanting to push was because they all were quick to chat about meaningless things… the icebreaker, yet are not super active in terms of progress the game at that point. Way i read ppl , a maf who is scared to talk, will also be scared to respond to reggys icebreaker super early
Maj
Yumi (Neutral)
Mafia Behaviour:
1) Attempt to focus votes on active players when she herself is not active. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346246720455184486
2) Overall inactivity level (more so a reason to lynch than a Mafia read. She did however apologise and appears to be busy irl, but has really provided little in the way of reads).
3) Overall only suspicious of others. Was suspicious of Sabrina for pivoting opinions (fair), said Reggie was active but he does that even when scum, also sus of ini for waiting for content from her. Overall, every interaction has been based in suspicion, could be a personality trait I don’t know them, but generally Mafia would have an incentive to not clear players since it keeps the pool of suspects larger.
Townie Behaviour:
1) On the flip side of point 3 for Mafia, exhibiting nothing but suspicion is arguably counterproductive especially when inactive as it can seed animosity which leads to being lynched down the line.
ne90 she was kinda the same as toiwnie you can iso her #ne90-chat, I can't really defend her or not I feel like she will be easy solve if certain people flip red
Also reggy learns really quick and have been playing my first 2 games with some very good maf players so
Scary Boy (Mia)
ne90 she was kinda the same as toiwnie you can iso her #ne90-chat, I can't really defend her or not I feel like she will be easy solve if certain people flip red
Reggy was waiting, for ur read on james. The trio i mentioned not wanting to push was because they all were quick to chat about meaningless things… the icebreaker, yet are not super active in terms of progress the game at that point. Way i read ppl , a maf who is scared to talk, will also be scared to respond to reggys icebreaker super early
Obviously shark can flip town, I just think there is a huge benefit in case he flips scum which he can do with how people have interacted with his slot
11:26 a.m.
Especially now as like I've had to keep mentioning shark personally lmaooo
I'm omw to work but eod is when I'm supposed to be there
inikyne
Obviously shark can flip town, I just think there is a huge benefit in case he flips scum which he can do with how people have interacted with his slot
Yumi (Neutral)
Mafia Behaviour:
1) Attempt to focus votes on active players when she herself is not active. https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346246720455184486
2) Overall inactivity level (more so a reason to lynch than a Mafia read. She did however apologise and appears to be busy irl, but has really provided little in the way of reads).
3) Overall only suspicious of others. Was suspicious of Sabrina for pivoting opinions (fair), said Reggie was active but he does that even when scum, also sus of ini for waiting for content from her. Overall, every interaction has been based in suspicion, could be a personality trait I don’t know them, but generally Mafia would have an incentive to not clear players since it keeps the pool of suspects larger.
Townie Behaviour:
1) On the flip side of point 3 for Mafia, exhibiting nothing but suspicion is arguably counterproductive especially when inactive as it can seed animosity which leads to being lynched down the line.
To the first paragraph here, best towns tend to walk a very fine line between being too sus for maf to get value out of killing them. And being not sus enough for town to have a great reason to exe. (They also make a lot of content taking advantage of their “immortality”…
Who do u want to push james
That's a good question, but I can't pick a person to push because none of them seem too sus to me. If I suggest lynching Yumi or Mkay for inactivity, then you could also pick me, and I would have no counterarguments. I have yet to read everyone's messages, so you probably know better than I do. But if you want my opinion, then I'd say anyone except you and Shark is fine with me, and If we have someone from (James, Reggy, and Shark) who can provide more information then I'm fine with that. I won't exclude myself.
That's a good question, but I can't pick a person to push because none of them seem too sus to me. If I suggest lynching Yumi or Mkay for inactivity, then you could also pick me, and I would have no counterarguments. I have yet to read everyone's messages, so you probably know better than I do. But if you want my opinion, then I'd say anyone except you and Shark is fine with me, and If we have someone from (James, Reggy, and Shark) who can provide more information then I'm fine with that. I won't exclude myself.
Dont understand the “if we have slmeone from james reggy shark who can provide more info fine with thag part
11:36 a.m.
Reword it
James
That's a good question, but I can't pick a person to push because none of them seem too sus to me. If I suggest lynching Yumi or Mkay for inactivity, then you could also pick me, and I would have no counterarguments. I have yet to read everyone's messages, so you probably know better than I do. But if you want my opinion, then I'd say anyone except you and Shark is fine with me, and If we have someone from (James, Reggy, and Shark) who can provide more information then I'm fine with that. I won't exclude myself.
In my opinion, we could lynch anyone who is not named James, Reggy, or Shark. But IF you think they could provide more information, then I'm fine with anyone.
I do agree with sabrina antitowning lmao you can't just drop pairings and then not actually try and convince anyone as that's more playing for yourself and looking right at the end over lynching scum
All we have to do is wait will someone cc sabrina, from her point of view hammering is fine. But please take in hand that we can’t know are you seriously pr or not this early
I'm also confused about the sudden switch up. You were saying Maj was mafia with me, but then you decided to vote out Shark, who you hadn't even mentioned during EOD before this message
It’s especially important to be there EOD as a mafia to ensure you and your teammate aren’t being upped and that your vote doesn’t look sus whether it’s abstaining etc which is why I was virtually certain that shark was not Mafia (especially given he didn’t have a track record of afk-stratting)
Why wouldn’t I? It was an excellent opportunity to make reads. Sabrina was a confirmed townie, I know I’m a townie, anyone who came after us two and voted James with low hesitation could probably be identified as scum, if instead nobody piled up on James it would mean he’s probably a townie.
1:42 p.m.
I never actually intended to lynch him, just see who else would try to ride the wave and also see how James reacts under the pressure of votes and whether he’d drop his nonchalant facade.
@inikyne But eliminating Reggy is confusing because Sabrina can't check goon, and if James is the roleblocker, why wouldn't he roleblock an openly claimed power role? Honestly everyone would think she would check me out and not him, if she isn't sure am I cleared or not she would have likely push me over James.
Maj
Why wouldn’t I? It was an excellent opportunity to make reads. Sabrina was a confirmed townie, I know I’m a townie, anyone who came after us two and voted James with low hesitation could probably be identified as scum, if instead nobody piled up on James it would mean he’s probably a townie.
james incompetence to do his role is making me look sus LMAO , stupid mistakes great play ig
Maj
I never actually intended to lynch him, just see who else would try to ride the wave and also see how James reacts under the pressure of votes and whether he’d drop his nonchalant facade.
How can you confidently say that? Not everybody in the lobby is experienced. It’s also not just votes, someone might overextend in chat trying to defend James after seeing the vote pressure.
sabrina
james incompetence to do his role is making me look sus LMAO , stupid mistakes great play ig
I’m fairly confident I could remove my vote in time if voted started piling up
Maj
How can you confidently say that? Not everybody in the lobby is experienced. It’s also not just votes, someone might overextend in chat trying to defend James after seeing the vote pressure.
@inikyne But eliminating Reggy is confusing because Sabrina can't check goon, and if James is the roleblocker, why wouldn't he roleblock an openly claimed power role? Honestly everyone would think she would check me out and not him, if she isn't sure am I cleared or not she would have likely push me over James.
That means that at the start of the day if james is actually a doctor as he claims, he was 100% aware that Sabrina was fake claiming Neo
Scary Boy (Mia)
@inikyne But eliminating Reggy is confusing because Sabrina can't check goon, and if James is the roleblocker, why wouldn't he roleblock an openly claimed power role? Honestly everyone would think she would check me out and not him, if she isn't sure am I cleared or not she would have likely push me over James.
Now let’s pretend James is a townie, what motive could he potentially have to not reveal this information or push her?
1) He thinks Sab is a townie fake claiming PR in order to take attention off of actual PRs or simply to save herself day one - unlikely given she literally waited until EOD to claim and imo her behaviour does not suggest this was her plan.
2) He thought she was mafia and wanted to wait to try and see the days chat to pair someone else to Sabrina. - I also find this unlikely, because James appeared strangely confused and unprepared when Sabrina accused him and he has not provided any such explanation for his motives.
inikyne
Yeah it's confusing but the world James isn't scum and sabrina is town is more confusing tbh as it involves scum suicide redchecking a citizen claim
Thing is it could be C1 scenario where Sabrina figured Reggy is pr and is wants to eliminate at least one more person before being lynched. That's why I'm waiting for everyone
To make a long story short the probability that:
i) Sab fake claimed PR day 1 as Mafia to save herself and then …
ii) Managed to fake check the exact single other PR in the entire lobby and then….
iii) James who knows Sab is fake claiming says nothing to start the day and appears confused when accused…
Are very low.
So it seems everyone is pro-lynching James, but not right away?
Scary Boy (Mia)
Thing is it could be C1 scenario where Sabrina figured Reggy is pr and is wants to eliminate at least one more person before being lynched. That's why I'm waiting for everyone
Why would Sabrina check James over me that's also weird, but if she was pushing me fully as mafia it would be more obvious to push me over James
Maj
To make a long story short the probability that:
i) Sab fake claimed PR day 1 as Mafia to save herself and then …
ii) Managed to fake check the exact single other PR in the entire lobby and then….
iii) James who knows Sab is fake claiming says nothing to start the day and appears confused when accused…
Are very low.
@inikyne But eliminating Reggy is confusing because Sabrina can't check goon, and if James is the roleblocker, why wouldn't he roleblock an openly claimed power role? Honestly everyone would think she would check me out and not him, if she isn't sure am I cleared or not she would have likely push me over James.
This is reasonable. But if we assume James deduced who the cop was (which you yourself said was an obvious PR), it might make sense to kill that less obvious player instead of a Neo who you might think is going to check the wrong player anyways.
Im just confused why you really haven’t tried to investigate James much at all despite the fact that objectively speaking his defense is not very strong.
You called him defensive for one message but you’ve not asked him at all about who he might have healed last night, you haven’t asked why he withheld the fact that Sabrina was a fake PR until she accused him, nothing.
So it's understandable that she thinks something is wrong
Maj
Im just confused why you really haven’t tried to investigate James much at all despite the fact that objectively speaking his defense is not very strong.
You called him defensive for one message but you’ve not asked him at all about who he might have healed last night, you haven’t asked why he withheld the fact that Sabrina was a fake PR until she accused him, nothing.
It’s not completely absurd to be totally fair. It’s possible Sab panicked-claimed PR to avoid a lynch day 1, then when she got on today and saw the cop died she realised she instantly had to push someone first or die… but to then land on the exact PR out of like 5 potential players, not to mention someone who was already in chat… perhaps she “deduced” he was acting disinterested day 1 to fake citizen and not be killed. It’s just that this series of conditions is very low-chance and doesn’t really fit the behaviour I saw from the two.
It’s not completely absurd to be totally fair. It’s possible Sab panicked-claimed PR to avoid a lynch day 1, then when she got on today and saw the cop died she realised she instantly had to push someone first or die… but to then land on the exact PR out of like 5 potential players, not to mention someone who was already in chat… perhaps she “deduced” he was acting disinterested day 1 to fake citizen and not be killed. It’s just that this series of conditions is very low-chance and doesn’t really fit the behaviour I saw from the two.
It’s not completely absurd to be totally fair. It’s possible Sab panicked-claimed PR to avoid a lynch day 1, then when she got on today and saw the cop died she realised she instantly had to push someone first or die… but to then land on the exact PR out of like 5 potential players, not to mention someone who was already in chat… perhaps she “deduced” he was acting disinterested day 1 to fake citizen and not be killed. It’s just that this series of conditions is very low-chance and doesn’t really fit the behaviour I saw from the two.
It's how James claimed citizen that was stupid and most likely never a pr play, it wasn't claiming cit to blend in, it's "I'm cit idm being lynched" when he was very close to being lynched
It's how James claimed citizen that was stupid and most likely never a pr play, it wasn't claiming cit to blend in, it's "I'm cit idm being lynched" when he was very close to being lynched
I went through the chat and only found a few statements that seemed odd or suspicious to me.
Both Maj and Mia said things that I would personally say if I were mafia:
1. Mia said: "Me being sus in general is good because mafia won't eliminate me so I can help town more."https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346260556671221895
2. Maj said: "If someone decides I have a power role and kills me based on these messages I’m going to be rather peeved"https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346277691711819806
This is a strategy I’d use as mafia to justify why I wasn’t eliminated despite being active or appearing helpful. For instance, Mia could later claim she survived because she seemed suspicious, while Maj could argue that his statement misled the mafia into thinking he wasn’t a power role. While these statements make sense, they could also be used as a tactic by the mafia.
If I were to rate their level of suspicion, I’d give Maj’s comment a 5/10 and Mia’s a 7/10, mainly because this is something I would do if I were mafia. That aside, I can’t find anything else that seems sus.
As for Sabrina’s reads, they seem okay, but I don’t really see how Mia and Inikyne are paired. Their conversation doesn’t feel staged, unless they’re both really good at faking it. She also cleared a few people using reasoning I didn’t fully understand, but since I’ve seen others do this before in this server, I wouldn’t call it suspicious.
Mkay, Yumi, and I are inactive. Any argument I make about their inactivity could also apply to me, so for now, I consider them neutral (need more info).
I haven’t noticed anything particularly suspicious about Inikyne, but he seems to be paying less attention compared to our previous game.
I TL Reggy and Shark because their messages are generally helpful and informative. Shark seems genuinely focused on helping the town, and his reasoning makes sense from a townie’s perspective. Honestly, most people here are making logical points, but Reggy and Shark stand out as players who are actively trying to solve the game.
Process of elimination to get down to those 3, I’m confirmed to myself, you’re confirmed, Sabrina is.
After that Ini just doesn’t strike me as Mafia. Started the wagon on shark knowing he was green even tho it could put a target on his back if mafia. Overall his he behaviour has just seemed very townie to me, but I guess I wouldn’t totally discount the possibility of him being evil.
11:57 a.m.
Mkay vs Yumi is a coin flip I have almost nothing to go off tbh
I’m just guessing Yumi is straight up afk and mkay has not really provided any reads or pushed anyone, just joked and followed whatever the majority are saying.
Process of elimination to get down to those 3, I’m confirmed to myself, you’re confirmed, Sabrina is.
After that Ini just doesn’t strike me as Mafia. Started the wagon on shark knowing he was green even tho it could put a target on his back if mafia. Overall his he behaviour has just seemed very townie to me, but I guess I wouldn’t totally discount the possibility of him being evil.
There’s basically no evidence for it if I’m being frank. You’ve both come to a very strong conclusion based on some vague feeling that my behaviour is suspicious.
Anything I do or say will appear sus to you regardless because you’re viewing my actions from the lens of me being a mafia and retrofitting my behaviour to your fit that narrative.
Maj
Anything I do or say will appear sus to you regardless because you’re viewing my actions from the lens of me being a mafia and retrofitting my behaviour to your fit that narrative.
You’re suspicious of me because we happened to agree on multiple instances, hardly surprising given most of the reads and messages are yours and our thought process is somewhat similar.
12:09 p.m.
And I disagreed with you on lynching shark because by my own logic I was sure he would flip green
There are two kinds of Mafia: Those who actively engage in the town and attempt to mislead and those who tend to keep a low profile and are semi-afk. Shark was fairly active in chat so I can assume that if he was a mafia he would be the first kind, not the second. That kind of Mafia is very likely to be in chat at EOD to influence the votes. It’s simple.
Scary Boy (Mia)
The way you can help us is to iso ini mkay and yumi
There are two kinds of Mafia: Those who actively engage in the town and attempt to mislead and those who tend to keep a low profile and are semi-afk. Shark was fairly active in chat so I can assume that if he was a mafia he would be the first kind, not the second. That kind of Mafia is very likely to be in chat at EOD to influence the votes. It’s simple.
I think you have to realise how improbable it is that I, as James teammate, Saw Sabrina vote for James today, instantly deduced that she had checked James instead of myself or Mia or any other player, and then immediately made the decision to vote for James in order to clear myself without even having the time to properly discuss it with my teammate.
12:15 p.m.
I mean in what world does this happen
12:16 p.m.
I’m actually flattered you think we would be that coordinated
Maj
I think you have to realise how improbable it is that I, as James teammate, Saw Sabrina vote for James today, instantly deduced that she had checked James instead of myself or Mia or any other player, and then immediately made the decision to vote for James in order to clear myself without even having the time to properly discuss it with my teammate.
From the time stamps the time from Sabrina’s vote to mine was 3 minutes, and we all know that I was not aware that Sabrina had PR info on James when I voted
No townie would trust Sabrina in the first 5 minutes of D2 without waiting to see if someone counterclaims her, especially since she claimed just 10 minutes before eod D1 when some people were afk. So that's misplay and not correct play
No townie would trust Sabrina in the first 5 minutes of D2 without waiting to see if someone counterclaims her, especially since she claimed just 10 minutes before eod D1 when some people were afk. So that's misplay and not correct play
1) He potentially put a target on himself by wagoning on shark
2) He voted for James at one risky point when it could have resulted in a lynch on James since the votes were close
3) His behaviour and reads have seemed appropriate to town
12:28 p.m.
i.e. I didn’t sense any agenda or misdirectiokn
12:29 p.m.
Now he could still be scum but contrast it with 2 players that I have very little info on
12:30 p.m.
All I know is Mkay has basically shadowed the entire town this whole game doing whatever the majority decides and taking little initiative of his own to push people, and Yumi has basically been afk. There’s not much to analyse.
So I’m not trying to absolve myself, but from an objective point of view if it was between Yuki and me Yuki would make more sense. Purely because if I had a teammate then they probably wouldn’t let me get to two prods. However this is a false dichotomy between me and Yuki when we could both just be innocent.
12:39 p.m.
Frankly if either of us were mafia it would be a bad play, since our inactivity would put suspicion on us when the player list is so small
mkay
So I’m not trying to absolve myself, but from an objective point of view if it was between Yuki and me Yuki would make more sense. Purely because if I had a teammate then they probably wouldn’t let me get to two prods. However this is a false dichotomy between me and Yuki when we could both just be innocent.
Some possible scenarios
I just want to point out that we're in a B1 setup, with James being the Rolecop if Sabrina telling the truth.
I was visited by the mafia but survived, which supports this setup and if they had Roleblocker they would have Roleblock Sabrina
If James flips as Goon, then we'd be in a C1 setup and Sabrina is likely another mafia member with SvS scenario
However I don't think that's the case and everything she’s done checks out to confirm her being Tracker
Some questions I had
Why is Sabrina alive after claiming role D1?
The mafia is aware of the possible setups. After Sabrina claimed Neo, they assumed we were in B3 setup and expected the Doctor to protect her
Why keep me and Sabrina alive?
Besides what I just said, mafia likely kept Sabrina and me alive to cause arguments on D2, hoping we’d turn on each other and get one of us lynched (It's just bonus)
Some possible scenarios
I just want to point out that we're in a B1 setup, with James being the Rolecop if Sabrina telling the truth.
I was visited by the mafia but survived, which supports this setup and if they had Roleblocker they would have Roleblock Sabrina
If James flips as Goon, then we'd be in a C1 setup and Sabrina is likely another mafia member with SvS scenario
However I don't think that's the case and everything she’s done checks out to confirm her being Tracker
Some questions I had
Why is Sabrina alive after claiming role D1?
The mafia is aware of the possible setups. After Sabrina claimed Neo, they assumed we were in B3 setup and expected the Doctor to protect her
Why keep me and Sabrina alive?
Besides what I just said, mafia likely kept Sabrina and me alive to cause arguments on D2, hoping we’d turn on each other and get one of us lynched (It's just bonus)
However I do disagree with your last point here because while defending himself he put the spotlight on Yumi and I. So he was theory crafting as he defended himself, wether or not one interprets that as useful
mkay
However I do disagree with your last point here because while defending himself he put the spotlight on Yumi and I. So he was theory crafting as he defended himself, wether or not one interprets that as useful
A good way to be content with the gamestate from your pov is to read me and see how possible it is
5:44 p.m.
Because if you and maj both flip
5:45 p.m.
I'm basically gonna have to lock in as whatever faction I could be
5:45 p.m.
But as scum I'd have free rein so it's best if you try and read now as that's how town always loses sadly, I just spam and spam then I don't get lynched
5:46 p.m.
But if you read and find me as town then you can just rest as yeah you are most likely dead with a maj town flip
The timing of this comment specifically looks like he's just in awe at sabrina for her fakeclaim as mafia lmao as well as being sussed
5:48 p.m.
I'd be more uncertain but as a town he would've shot himself in the foot by saying that so it's not like I have incentive to reevaluate currently if the game most likely ends with a maj flip
5:48 p.m.
Btw
5:49 p.m.
If that was like an openscum moment with sabrinas play
5:49 p.m.
It's really cool maj had the self awareness to value respecting sabrinas play over self pres
5:50 p.m.
Yes it's questionable to not value your win condition but seeing it as like jeez my opponent is amazing
5:50 p.m.
Is just a really cool mentality
5:50 p.m.
Anyways
5:51 p.m.
Is sad yumi is busy as like idk she's pretty vibing and most likely just inactive town
5:52 p.m.
Or we can just vibe as sheeping town being carried
Mainly process of elimination linked with 1 post yesterday which to me came from a scum pov of being in awe of town rolling your team, considering you were sussed too before saying that
It’s the kind of thing where you say “well what if this is actually happening” and then if you tunnel vision you can connect a bunch of dots but the initial scenario remains improbable
For instance I could probably come up with an outlandish theory right now where Mia is actually a mafia that was visited by her own teammate in a high IQ manoeuvre given Mia and James know each other closely and could pull something off. But if I step back and reflect the likelihood is very low (this is even less likely than me being mafia, it’s just illustrative)
inikyne
Without context of your meta and playstyle, maybe I'm wrong on your meaning of that
Well that specifically is unlikely not bc of James Mia synergy
Maj
For instance I could probably come up with an outlandish theory right now where Mia is actually a mafia that was visited by her own teammate in a high IQ manoeuvre given Mia and James know each other closely and could pull something off. But if I step back and reflect the likelihood is very low (this is even less likely than me being mafia, it’s just illustrative)
In theory they knew one pr and were killing the other. This makes the actual rolecop info on Mia useless since the correct role can 100% be deduced, it’s just a safety net.
Because they know it has to be a BX setup. They just didn’t try to put themselves in Sabrina’s shoes and think about why she’s clearing Mkay. I can’t really blame them tho since she was clearing and sussing people randomly D1
7:31 p.m.
That requires insane focus to consider and predict that Sabrina is actually the Tracker
If I want to nitpick there was no guarantee of a TP in the game at this time, but if we check the role distributions if you were a mafia and knew rolecop + Neo claim from Sabrina you’d assume a doc is in the game. The kill that night also appeared to be attempting to target a doc.
Not in this kind of setup, I'd love to do it for bigger setups where fakeclaims are more justified
7:37 p.m.
I just prefer to let PRs do their own thing
7:37 p.m.
But anyways
7:38 p.m.
Am from tos and if there is tp I'd prefer to ask it as I've learned that people just assume active town wouldn't be attacked
7:39 p.m.
When there is seemingly no better option, which yeah I just didn't think anyone hinted at heavily, except maj who was talking about power roles a lot but was in the susses enough to not kill
Okay to explain why I don’t think Maj is mafia, I need to go over my thought process. When I first posted that paragraph, I believed he was. But during the short break while we were waiting for Day 3, I went back and reread all of Day 2 chat
I noticed multiple instances where James indirectly tried to associate himself with Maj. Through jokes and casual comments.
Given that, I don't think Maj would have later tried to make me look suspicious if he was mafia
For example https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1347253483081961502
Their interactions feels more like, "Oh they figured it out. Let’s give up and have fun." Not to mention that all these short interactions were started by James, it looks like he was trying to pair himself with Maj. If Maj were mafia, it wouldn’t make sense for him to keep thinking and even pointing fingers at me while acting like he wants to give up. Like choose do you want to give up or not. I know I'm rushing this explanation, but if you're interested, I recommend rereading all of Day 2, James interactions with others and especially Maj. You will get what I meanAnalyzing James mafia playstyle
To understand how James works with his mafia team, let’s look at his Day 1 reads I had a reason why I wanted him to make readshttps://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346501741251792936
When making full reads or general assessments, James tends to keep his allies in as neutrals. He never outright accuses his teammates on Day 1, as seen in the ne90 game
Here’s his ne90 read where both Sabrina and Coal were his mafia teammates:
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1338584531996774541/1341436471688695983
James subtly covers for his teammates while remaining neutral, ensuring that if one of them gets lynched, his reads don’t lead back to anything suspicious towards him
Now in his ne91 paragraph, he pointed fingers at both Maj and me while clearing others who turned out to be cop, tracker and citizen. The only people he remained neutral on were Mkay and Yumi, and he didn’t even mention Inikyne a lot
Narrowing down the possible mafia
I have strong reasons to believe Mkay is not mafia (which I can’t state directly, but you can think for yourself why his slot seems clear)
That leaves us with Inikyne and Yumi
Inikyne seems off. He isn’t as helpful as he tried to be in ma94 as townie
Yumi doesn’t feel natural. In ne90, when she was busy with real life as townie, she still made reads and voiced opinions on who she disliked. Now even though she’s busy, she’s making indirectly excuses for being inactive
This is similar to what Sabrina mentioned in ne90 saying that Yumi as mafia, used inactivity as a strategy
It's really straight forward, if I fail to pick right person today others will have this "will"
I clear Maj and tl Mkay's slot due to something obvious I can't state
11:23 p.m.
I rushed it but you will understand why I clear Maj
im not going to ml and then get ml with or without your logic as its lose lose for town when wim is dying and its just going to look scummy bc no one actually knows how my brain works lmao
11:32 p.m.
if i am lynched now, you will die as confirmed town, with double town praises for shrouds slot
11:32 p.m.
then its just up to him to judge if your logic is valid enough to lynch yumi or not
Okay to explain why I don’t think Maj is mafia, I need to go over my thought process. When I first posted that paragraph, I believed he was. But during the short break while we were waiting for Day 3, I went back and reread all of Day 2 chat
I noticed multiple instances where James indirectly tried to associate himself with Maj. Through jokes and casual comments.
Given that, I don't think Maj would have later tried to make me look suspicious if he was mafia
For example https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1347253483081961502
Their interactions feels more like, "Oh they figured it out. Let’s give up and have fun." Not to mention that all these short interactions were started by James, it looks like he was trying to pair himself with Maj. If Maj were mafia, it wouldn’t make sense for him to keep thinking and even pointing fingers at me while acting like he wants to give up. Like choose do you want to give up or not. I know I'm rushing this explanation, but if you're interested, I recommend rereading all of Day 2, James interactions with others and especially Maj. You will get what I meanAnalyzing James mafia playstyle
To understand how James works with his mafia team, let’s look at his Day 1 reads I had a reason why I wanted him to make readshttps://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1344443116895080499/1346501741251792936
When making full reads or general assessments, James tends to keep his allies in as neutrals. He never outright accuses his teammates on Day 1, as seen in the ne90 game
Here’s his ne90 read where both Sabrina and Coal were his mafia teammates:
https://discord.com/channels/648663810772697089/1338584531996774541/1341436471688695983
James subtly covers for his teammates while remaining neutral, ensuring that if one of them gets lynched, his reads don’t lead back to anything suspicious towards him
Now in his ne91 paragraph, he pointed fingers at both Maj and me while clearing others who turned out to be cop, tracker and citizen. The only people he remained neutral on were Mkay and Yumi, and he didn’t even mention Inikyne a lot
Narrowing down the possible mafia
I have strong reasons to believe Mkay is not mafia (which I can’t state directly, but you can think for yourself why his slot seems clear)
That leaves us with Inikyne and Yumi
Inikyne seems off. He isn’t as helpful as he tried to be in ma94 as townie
Yumi doesn’t feel natural. In ne90, when she was busy with real life as townie, she still made reads and voiced opinions on who she disliked. Now even though she’s busy, she’s making indirectly excuses for being inactive
This is similar to what Sabrina mentioned in ne90 saying that Yumi as mafia, used inactivity as a strategy
It's really straight forward, if I fail to pick right person today others will have this "will"
I clear Maj and tl Mkay's slot due to something obvious I can't state
im not going to ml and then get ml with or without your logic as its lose lose for town when wim is dying and its just going to look scummy bc no one actually knows how my brain works lmao
Reasons why I think Yumi's better vote
1. She’s inactive, with very few messages or reactions, making it difficult to determine whether she’s mafia (Active mafia players are easier to analyze)
2. While I don’t usually believe in slip ups, I think you’ve had two clear town slips
3. You were more active and you deserve a chance to win if you're mafia
this game just is not fun, i am town i just do not really have much incentive to argue about my pov which is why i was okay leaving the reads up for an unbiased slot
11:52 p.m.
by self voting
11:53 p.m.
but IF the game continues, then ill see if shroud can read into AtE and see that im town
11:55 p.m.
but unfortunately i do not have that much incentive to actively try and convince shroud im not scum, but yeah if yumi is town, from my pov, you are wrong, so we will just see
Oh yeah, not sure if you read the chat, but if I vote out Inikyne and the mafia eliminates me, Maj would be left with two inactives. The same applies to almost any other scenario where active player would be left with inactives
Oh yeah, not sure if you read the chat, but if I vote out Inikyne and the mafia eliminates me, Maj would be left with two inactives. The same applies to almost any other scenario where active player would be left with inactives